Comments on: N’Qisate, http://www.bernos.org/blog/2006/04/04/nqisate/ Wed, 07 Jan 2009 03:03:00 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: nolawi http://www.bernos.org/blog/2006/04/04/nqisate/#comment-125 nolawi Thu, 06 Apr 2006 16:53:15 +0000 http://bernos.org/blog/?p=75#comment-125 Tiqur, who are right, there is nothing Egyptian about the design. Ok I'll update the post. But i feel the cross in general is coptic rather than just ethiopian, since classical art from 16-19th century is similar, not necessarly in egypt rather in europe. Dinbulo,I never thought of it that way, I would assume that the primitive nature of n'qisat is only in the process. Culturally imposing it on young girls would also be somewhat primitive. I'm really not familiar with the cultural intricacies accociated with the tattoo.. Tiqur, who are right, there is nothing Egyptian about the design. Ok I’ll update the post. But i feel the cross in general is coptic rather than just ethiopian, since classical art from 16-19th century is similar, not necessarly in egypt rather in europe.

Dinbulo,I never thought of it that way, I would assume that the primitive nature of n’qisat is only in the process. Culturally imposing it on young girls would also be somewhat primitive. I’m really not familiar with the cultural intricacies accociated with the tattoo..

]]> By: Tiqur_Anbessa http://www.bernos.org/blog/2006/04/04/nqisate/#comment-122 Tiqur_Anbessa Thu, 06 Apr 2006 10:48:42 +0000 http://bernos.org/blog/?p=75#comment-122 Why should it be Coptic? Have you ever seen anything like that done in Egypt? What they mean is clearly "Ethiopian Orthodox" and not Coptic (in the article you've linked)... They just used the wrong word! And that happens very often. Why should it be Coptic? Have you ever seen anything like that done in Egypt? What they mean is clearly “Ethiopian Orthodox” and not Coptic (in the article you’ve linked)… They just used the wrong word! And that happens very often.

]]> By: dinbulo http://www.bernos.org/blog/2006/04/04/nqisate/#comment-121 dinbulo Thu, 06 Apr 2006 00:14:45 +0000 http://bernos.org/blog/?p=75#comment-121 I wonder if you would consider western Tattoos primitive as well? Maybe the method in which Nikisat is done is primitive but I don't think the concept itself is primitive (it is certainly old). In western societies where meaningless tattoos are common (for example a butterfly or a snake), they are most often considered sexy or tough. It would be inconsistent to term a more rational form of tattoos (Where one is expressing the Christian heritage of which they are apart) as Huala Ker. Maybe this is a perception problem [I am not accusing you of having it as I don't know your stand on western tattoos] or maybe even a marketing problem [where the form our ancestors adopted has not been marketed well enough]. The only caveat in this argument would be the fact that Nikisat is not always voluntary. To compare it to FGM I think is a bit too much. I wonder if you would consider western Tattoos primitive as well? Maybe the method in which Nikisat is done is primitive but I don’t think the concept itself is primitive (it is certainly old). In western societies where meaningless tattoos are common (for example a butterfly or a snake), they are most often considered sexy or tough. It would be inconsistent to term a more rational form of tattoos (Where one is expressing the Christian heritage of which they are apart) as Huala Ker. Maybe this is a perception problem [I am not accusing you of having it as I don't know your stand on western tattoos] or maybe even a marketing problem [where the form our ancestors adopted has not been marketed well enough].

The only caveat in this argument would be the fact that Nikisat is not always voluntary.

To compare it to FGM I think is a bit too much.

]]> By: nolawi http://www.bernos.org/blog/2006/04/04/nqisate/#comment-119 nolawi Wed, 05 Apr 2006 22:02:36 +0000 http://bernos.org/blog/?p=75#comment-119 I was specifically talking about the designs; the designs seems coptic chrsitan, and similar classical style western designs; which are in churchs all over europe, as i've seen in pictures. I was really not talking about the church. But thanks for the info, I never knew that we had a mother church. I was specifically talking about the designs; the designs seems coptic chrsitan, and similar classical style western designs; which are in churchs all over europe, as i’ve seen in pictures. I was really not talking about the church.

But thanks for the info, I never knew that we had a mother church.

]]> By: Tiqur Anbessa http://www.bernos.org/blog/2006/04/04/nqisate/#comment-117 Tiqur Anbessa Wed, 05 Apr 2006 17:52:38 +0000 http://bernos.org/blog/?p=75#comment-117 Very interesting topic... actually, I think the niqisat thing doesn't look bad at all... But of course it is a problem... people from the cities look down on women with niqisat... and I'm sure it hurts when the niqisat is done... Anyway, the main reason I wrote this comment is to tell you that you shouldn't write "coptic" in this context. "Coptic" comes from "qubt" which means E-GYPT-ian... (its more evident in amharic: "gibTs" or even "gibT"... What you mean is Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo... and you should also write it as that... It's true that Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church has been called Coptic in the past. But back then we didn't have an own patriarch. Today our church is autocephal... that means that we can elect our own Patriarch. Although we still see the Coptic Orthodox Church as our mother church (because patriarch Athanasios from Alexandria ordained the first Bishop for Ethiopia, which was Frumentius (aka Abuna Salama aka Kesate Birhan)), and from then on until 1951, the Bishop of Ethiopia was a Coptic Christian. Very interesting topic… actually, I think the niqisat thing doesn’t look bad at all… But of course it is a problem… people from the cities look down on women with niqisat… and I’m sure it hurts when the niqisat is done…

Anyway, the main reason I wrote this comment is to tell you that you shouldn’t write “coptic” in this context. “Coptic” comes from “qubt” which means E-GYPT-ian… (its more evident in amharic: “gibTs” or even “gibT”…
What you mean is Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo… and you should also write it as that…
It’s true that Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church has been called Coptic in the past. But back then we didn’t have an own patriarch. Today our church is autocephal… that means that we can elect our own Patriarch. Although we still see the Coptic Orthodox Church as our mother church (because patriarch Athanasios from Alexandria ordained the first Bishop for Ethiopia, which was Frumentius (aka Abuna Salama aka Kesate Birhan)), and from then on until 1951, the Bishop of Ethiopia was a Coptic Christian.

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